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The Terry Debacle

swooperman

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I dont like John Terry, simple as. I think hes a classless idiot.
I dont believe he should ever have been England captain in the first place, never mind had it back after Capello had said he'd never do it again.
I thought the Wayne Bridge fiasco was a joke. Bridge wasnt even with the woman anymore, & to my mind things like that happen every day. Bridge made a big deal about it whereas between two normal blokes on the street it would have been a row & then the week after a few beers. It ended up with me thinking worse of Bridge than anyone & it just showed how far adrift these idiots are from the fan on the terrace, who'd give his left arm to play for his country.
So although I never wanted Terry captain, i wouldnt have took it off him for the Bridge fiasco.

But....for all that, Terry obviously wants to captain his country, & although hes a prick he wants to play for his country although thats probably being tested right now.

The FA have took the captaincy off him because they thought the trial would have been over before the Euros. So in that regard they would have took it off him in about may....good preparation that is!
I believe hes probably guilty, but generally you are innocent until proven. The FA have effectively condemned the man themselves...& surely if he shouldnt be captain he shouldnt go at all?
and theyve done it behind Capello's back!!

Before every tournament England go to something happens to fuck up the preparation.

with Blatter & the FA, football is run by spineless idiots
 
Football?
Collecting and analysing navel fluff is more interesting. :)
 
The FA have took the captaincy off him because they thought the trial would have been over before the Euros.
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In the real world it would have been , they delayed it because it was during the football season , what the f**k !!
Should have been done and dusted , he shouldn't have played against QPR last week either , in any workplace he would have been suspended on full pay until the outcome was known.

None of them really live in the real world , they are so far removed from reality its ridiculous ...
 
In any other job, an employee would be suspended from their position until the investigation was concluded.

Terry should've have fallen on his own sword - the TV evidence seemed clear enough. The fact the CPS prosecuted him shows there is enough evidence to prove his guilt.

Regardless of that, is Terry good enough for the England team given his current form, and do we really want yet another story dominating the tournament?
 
On current form no but does he have the experidnce and could he do a job yes.

I thought with the case not being held until after the euros then 'innocent until provrn guilty' but now as they've stripped him of the armband then i dont think he should go but if that decision is taking by the Fa, Capello or JT himself that'll need to be seen.
 
Your right win...thesd guys ate living in a land of make believe and sometimes are above the law nevermind common sense.
 
Your right win...thesd guys ate living in a land of make believe and sometimes are above the law nevermind common sense.
 
Rdceivex this text

John Terry was asked about losing the captain's armband. "I didn't lose it," he snapped. "Some black cunt must've stolen it."
 
I dont think JT will go but wether that decision is down to the FA, Capello or JT himself. Case not being heard until after Euros i thought gsve everybody a bit of breathing space but obviously some pressure was put on the FA and they crumbled.

On current form NO but can he fo a job and does he have the experience then DEFO yes but the main thing is that neater the yime something rlse will happen an your National team will be a joke again....its gonna happen.
 
swooperman said:
but generally you are innocent until proven.
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Not with the FA Swoops.

Rio was dropped from the England squad for missing a drugs test (despite taking it the next day and passing) and before any disciplinary hearing was carried out - Innocent until proven guilty?

Alan Smith was dropped from the England squad for casually chucking a plastic bottle into the crowd and before any disciplinary hearing was carried out. A decision made more ridiculous when the police decided not to charge him - Innocent until proven guilty?

Putting aside the fact that Terry's scum, should they have taken the captaincy of him now? No. But when you take the above two situations into account (and there have been more), they've backed themselves into a corner and given themselves no room for manoeuvre. Again.

And to demonstrate the FA's failures further, don't forget, Rio passed a drugs test 24 hours late - 8 month ban and £50,000 fine. 12 months earlier, some Citeh reserve missed his test and just got a £2,000 fine with no ban. Also Mutu and Toure got shorter bans for being found guilty of TAKING drugs than Rio did for being a prick and missing his test. :thinking

The FA's a joke outfit that just makes it up as it goes along. Footballers live on planet cuckoo nowadays, but so does the FA.
 
Wayne said:
Not with the FA Swoops.

Rio was dropped from the England squad for missing a drugs test (despite taking it the next day and passing) and before any disciplinary hearing was carried out - Innocent until proven guilty?

Alan Smith was dropped from the England squad for casually chucking a plastic bottle into the crowd and before any disciplinary hearing was carried out. A decision made more ridiculous when the police decided not to charge him - Innocent until proven guilty?
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Utter bollocks Wayne.

Rio was GUILTY of missing the drugs test. FACT! A fact proven by the fact that he didn't turn up for the fucking drugs test. Pretty obvious really. The fact that he took it the next day is totally irrelevant. If the FA say you are to take a drugs test at a certain time and date, you take the fucker - end of. It's just another example of what the chaps above have said of players living on another planet and doing as they please.

As for the smith incident. What the hell have the police got to do with anything? You can transgress an FA law "ungentlemanly conduct or dissent for example" without it being a police matter.

Anyway, Smith didn't even play for you at the time so I'm surprised you're defending him. The other one, I can obviously understand.
 
:lol

What the fuck are you on about? It's 'utter bollocks' if I'd said or even implied the opposite of what's in your post. :thinking But as I didn't and you seem to have missed the point (again), I'll try and simplify it for you.

Just concentrate on the phrase 'innocent until proven guilty'.

ONEDUNME said:
Rio was GUILTY of missing the drugs test. FACT! A fact proven by the fact that he didn't turn up for the fucking drugs test. Pretty obvious really. The fact that he took it the next day is totally irrelevant. If the FA say you are to take a drugs test at a certain time and date, you take the fucker - end of. It's just another example of what the chaps above have said of players living on another planet and doing as they please.
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I never said he wasn't guilty did I? I said he was dropped by England before any disciplinary hearing. So 'innocent until proven guilty' did not apply.

ONEDUNME said:
As for the smith incident. What the hell have the police got to do with anything? You can transgress an FA law "ungentlemanly conduct or dissent for example" without it being a police matter.
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The FA dropped Smith from the England squad because he was arrested by the police so the police have got everything to do with it. The FA disciplinary hearing was much later on. So again, 'innocent until proven guilty' did not apply.

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Anyway, Smith didn't even play for you at the time so I'm surprised you're defending him. The other one, I can obviously understand.
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Cock comment that ODM. Perhaps you shouldn't judge others by your own blinkered way of thinking.
 
He was guilty of not turning up. He wasn't there, end of. No point keeping the cunt in the squad and then having a disciplinary hearing to establish what the facts were. He missed a mandatory drugs test = guilty = drop the cunt. Then hold a formal hearing to establish any mitigating factors and officially tell him what a cunt he was.

There was never any possibility of him being innocent, therefore it was right to drop him.

Smith was guilty of throwing a bottle into the crowd. Typical of the nasty cunt that he was/is. How it came to light

I like the use of the phrase " casually chucking" the bottle:lol All sounds very harmless that way eh? Wanging it overarm into a crowd of people is not casually chucking it to one side.

This is a quote from Alan Smith's own vile gob
"I know how important it is for England players to set a good example. When you represent your country, you have a responsibility because you are admired by lots of people especially young children.

He wasn't charged by the FA for attempted GBH or attempted manslaughter, he was charged with improper conduct. As in the Rio case, there is absolutely no doubt whatsover over what happened and absolutely no doubt that he was guilty.
 
ONEDUNME said:
As in the Rio case, there is absolutely no doubt whatsover over what happened and absolutely no doubt that he was guilty.
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It doesn't matter. Everybody deserves a fair trial before punishment.

As you can't grasp that basic principle of the society you live in, let's leave it there ODM.

:giveup
 
It's not society. It's not normal life with normal laws.

If anyone does anything that could bring the FA into disrepute, they are quite within their rights to drop them from their football team.

If there was some ambiguity, you would have a point because it would have to be proven first. There was no ambiguity in either case, therefore you don't.
 
Wrong.

Rio and the City player both missed their drugs tests. Same crime - One was banned, one wasn't.
With your method of punish first, ask questions later, how would that have panned out?

I can't believe we're even having this conversation? :lol
 
I'm not interested in some Man City apprentice. I don't know what happened in that case and comparing him to an England captain is hardly comparing apples with apples in any event,

Guilty.
 
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