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Best poker site

Discussion in 'Poker talk and strategy' started by slick, Mar 11, 2017.

  1. slick

    slick Administrator

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    What's the best site for gambling on poker?

    I'm looking for the most natural one where there is no question of bots, man against man beast against beast lol.

    It's not for me but for somebody I know who wants to prove a point and I hope he does.
  2. Jezza

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    Problem is slick you are right to be worried about bots but it's like a Terminator film out there. No matter what they say every single site is riddled with bots. They can't stop it and none of them waste the money even trying (despite what they might claim). Not only that but the programs are really good these days, to the point they have "solved" some versions of poker. I mean look at this http://poker.srv.ualberta.ca/. They solved fixed limit hold em (99.99% game theory optimal) - it cant be beaten. Not only that you can query it online about what it would do in any situation. Why would you play anyone at that game knowing thats out there?

    It might not be solved but high quality GTO solvers and prompters are available for all forms of poker now and are common online. It is not worth your money to even try.
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  3. slick

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    Soz Jezza, didn't see your reply, thanks. (forgot all about me asking the question tell the truth until I met the guy who was asking it today lol)

    I'll pass on the info:thumb
  4. Doc

    Doc New Member

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    Think you're being a bit pessimistic there Jezza

    The Cepheus engine used a dedicated supercomputer and solved for heads-up limit poker. Multi-player NL poker is orders of magnitude more complex.
    GTO is designed to be unexploitable, not maximal - so it doesn't make the 'best' decisions in terms of beating particular players, it makes the 'best' decisions in terms of what the opponent might do against them. So unless you're playing at a table full of GTO bots, there is still room to play 'best' against a particular fish
    There are of course solvers out there that people can use to develop strategy, and maybe even prompters that can be used to advise in game - however, in general these aren't that difficult to detect. It would take a pretty sophisticated computer set-up to have something that is virtually undetectable, and well beyond the ability of most players to implement. Of course, nothing is impossible, and anyone with a working bot (or array of bots) isn't going to publicise it too much. Similarly the poker sites aren't going to publicise it too much either. On balance I think it is a risk, but I'm playing a fair bit of online poker these days, up to 0.25/0.50 NL and I'm not seeing any particular evidence of prevalent bots - or if they're there, they're very far from unbeatable.

    I think the new business strategy at PokerStars is interesting - they're obviously trying to reorient the site towards recreation players. That's bad news in terms of rakeback/bonuses etc, but probably good news in terms of attracting fish. Not sure how the balance will ultimately settle, but the new features are definitely aimed at the gambler not the strategist/grinder.
  5. Jezza

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