Antepost Soccer Betting/35% r.o.i

[Yorkieacer]

Southampton @ 3.50, Crawley @ 1.72, Charlton @ 1.90, Fleetwood @ 2.10, Psg @ 1.57 £200 e/w @ 38.08

 

[hotspur]

Sorry TC and Yorkie,been busy!
Thundercelt! GOSH NO,not only would I not mind you having a go,I was going to ask if you would as I was a bit disappointed by Yorkies first effort-have only briefly glanced at the 2nd one with one eye shut.
By the way Yorkie,I apologise-I had said any criticsm would be tactful and,instead I was somewhat harsh.
I dont even wanna think about the bets I did when I first started!
TC,in general,you cant go to go too far wrong in betting each -way-dont even worry about stealing place value.
However if you are gonna bet e/w,there should be 3 each -way legs(or more).

Yorkie,I will give you feedback soon...

 

[hotspur]

btw,not that it matters, but I was wrong to say that Yorkies bet comes to over 1500-1.Its cos I never use decimals and it was a quick estimate.Its less than 1200-1.

OK Y orkie-your second bet.
okie dokie-youve done exactly as Ive asked so I cant really say much.
I assume the PSG part is 1/3 top 2?
The only unfortunate part of the bet is just my opinion and that is that I believe that saints have been "found out" and are a bad price to win the league.
Also they have harder games than anyone else in the top 4.but hopefully they can just get 3rd....or hopefully I am WRONG.

The other thing is the stake!!
£200 each -way seems a lot-what bank are you using?
WELL,if no-one objects,lets start with Yorkies bet and lets say he has a bank of £5,000,of which he has £4,600 left.

Ok Yorkie,all you have to do from now on is.....................
HEDGE THE FUCK out of that position.
Lets hope saints can get a result today.

Yorkie,dont bet more than £125 e/w max. on any further bets..keep to 5 selections......make 4 of them faves and 1 a 2nd fave.......and
PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE......DO.......NOT.......

bet on Manchester United......at least not til after they have played Lpool,Arsenal,Chelsea and Spurs

(You know it makes sense!)

 

[hotspur]

Just realised that Yorkie DIDNT do exactly as I asked-I said pick 5 faves and,of course the one dodgy pick,Saints are 2nd faves!

Heh-ho.

 

[Wayne]

Is this a joke Hotspur?

I still can't get my head round why you're trying to come across as some sort of betting guru 'advising' others what to do (and then criticising them) and yet there still isn't the slightest bit of evidence to back up all your previous claims of massive profits, etc.

It's still all conjecture and you've never addressed that even though it's been pointed out to you several times by several people.

And your arrogant posting style doesn't help either.

 

[Seen]

I'm not reading all of this thread, but I agree with Wayne

 

[hotspur]

Hi Wayne,all I am doing is promoting antepost betting.
The reason theres not the slightest evidence is because just about the first thing you told me is that anyone can make up evidence on the internet.
I am perfectly happy to completely abandon this thread at any time if it annoys you.
Just let me know.
Thanks

 

[rcgills]

What I think Wayne is getting at, Hotspur, is that you're putting someone else (Yorkie in this case) up in the firing line, rather than actually posting up anything of your own. Didn't you have a thread at one stage where you were going to go showing everyone how easy it was to make a 35% profit?

Edit - Ah, that'll be this thread then Thought this was a new one for some reason. The point stands anyway, what's happened to you posting your own picks rather than getting Yorkie to do it for you?

 

[Wayne]

all I am doing is promoting antepost betting

No you're not. You're using this thread to big yourself up.

The purpose of the thread was to demonstrate how easy it is for YOU to make 10% ROI over a long period of time - a claim you've made several times on several different threads. I've still seen nothing to demonstrate that. So when you then start coming across as some sort of betting god, advising and criticising others, it's only fair that this is pointed out.

 

[hotspur]

I see.I am disappointed that this is seen as me putting Yorkie in the firing line.
I dont remember at any point stating that making 35% was easy-however I may be wrong,is there a relevant quote?
Since you specifically ask,what happened was that I wanted to start a thread where I attempt to make 60% and,for one reason or another,I decided to do this on another forum.
I thought that the best way to carry on this thread was to get someone else to make the 35% since this would show that antepost betting is a good way to bet.
However,if you dont want someone else to have a go,you are the mod.-no problem.
I would much rather be thought of as some kind of fantasist than someone who is showing off so it'd be fine by me.

You know,ALL I was trying to do is help people.

 

[rcgills]

I dont remember at any point stating that making 35% was easy-however I may be wrong,is there a relevant quote?

My mistake there, it was 10% you said was easy, and 35% that you're attempting to make in this thread.

So we start off with 10% being too easy, and you go for 35%. Then while that's still half-cooked, you decide to instead start giving advice to Yorkie in an experiment to prove that anyone can reach 35%, and now you're telling us you've got a thread on another forum where you're attempting to make 60%? You'd do yourself a big favour on here if you just chose one "challenge" (for want of a better word) and stuck to it, rather than flitting around from one thing to another all the time.

You've got no reason to prove anything to us on here, the same as LMC Tipster with his 5 (??) years consecutive profit prior to posting on here. But until you do, you'll have to forgive us if we're somewhat sceptical of you and the way that, as Wayne says, you portray yourself as some kind of betting guru. We can be a suspicious bunch on here sometimes, but more often than not we're right. Just ask your young protégé how many times he's been caught out on TDP/Betfair.

 

[Yorkieacer]

Right i thought this experiment was youi were going to show me how to make money from antepost betting hence you ask me to put up what i thought then would correct me instead you haven told me to choose another 5 and have another go, you said about 1000points hence i said £200 e/w in other words 200 points each way, if this was set up to make me look a cunt then job done but wasnt that hard as i dont bet on antepost betting bar a couple of quid so when is the next advice coming? I think all of mine have a great chance of winning e/w imo

 

[ThunderCelt]

Well, I'm still happy to give this a try, Bet365; 3 favourites and a second favoutite.

Ross County 5/6
Cowdenbeath 4/6
Alloa 6/4
Wrexham 7/4
Odds approx 40/1

 

[hotspur]

Um,First of all I would like to ask everyone on here a BIG favour.
I want to say something that obviously I know makes me look pathetic.
And the favour is that I would really like it if noone commented on this next sentence(or 2).
Of course its up to you,but I would greatly appreciate it.

OK,here goes:
I have to confess that I have been genuinely really HURT by all this-I even had to go out to buy alcohol last night just so I could have a drink before reading the latest comments.

OK thanks.
As it happens the latest comments,once Id got over the disappointment of now having Yorkie apparently thinking Im trying to make him look bad when,in fact,all I was trying to do was help him,were,um,ok.

Yorkie,

a) I totally agree that BOTH your bets have a good chance of winning

b) In ALL MY LIFE,I have NEVER tried to make anyone look a cunt.

c) You are correct,this experiment was for me to help you to make money from antepost betting.Please forgive me but I dont quite understand why you now think otherwise,but,look,PLEASE dont try to explain further,if you dont mind.THANKS.

rcgills,thank you for your reasoned response-one of the main reasons I like betnod is because of the fairness of the mods.

If I may,I would like to start with your last sentences.

First,Id like to mention this "betting guru"business.

I am not any kind of "betting guru",I just(claim to) know a lot about antepost accumulator bets and LUCKILY,these are bets that hardly any pro-gamblers do.

As far as me having to forgive you if you are skeptical is concerned,I want to make myself perfectly clear:

Not only DO I forgive you,I WELCOME your skepticsm!!

I wasnt joking in my last post; on this forum I have been accused of:

a) being an arrogant,big-headed show-off
b) mental
c) a liar and fantasist

Well,I have decided that,of the three,I prefer to be thought of,henceforward,as a pathetic,lying fantasist.

I repeat,thats no joke-I am serious.

I will never again claim on betnod to have any specialist gambling knowledge and will therefore be restricting myself to the kind of thread that Steve uk comes up with or,to give a more recent example,Colbro(?).

Its possible,however,that from time to time I may have a strong feeling/opinion about a games outcome or a short-term price to the extent where I make a post.
OF COURSE,I do not now expect anyone to take the slightest notice of such posts(if they ever did).I guess I would therefore be making them for my own satisfaction.

OK rcgills,just the beginning of your post to deal with and I would like to pick you up on the one thing you said that I thought MAY have been a tad unfair ie that I flit around from one thing to another "all the time."

I would like to expand slightly on what I tried to explain in my last post.

I did not INTEND to have more than one challenge.
INDEED,I didnt intend to have any challenges-merely to give the kind of advice I gave on the DP without,it seems,anyone noticing!
Advice that WOULD have made any of you 10%+ had you followed it!

When I was told that I should put up or shut up,I was AGGRIEVED (rightly or wronly) because I knew that my tips thus far wouldve made 10%+.
Because I was aggrieved,I actually started a thread on another forum where I stated that I was going to do antepost bets.
BUT,mostly due to the fact that theres 1 or 2 writers on here,I decided,at the last minute,to do the bets on here.

I then asked someone to provide the roi.The reason was that I had already been accused of being big-headed so I didnt think I could choose it myself.
THEN,soon after the season started I believed that,from experience,this would be one of the more "predictable"seasons.
The problem there is this-if its a "predictable" season then at the end LOTS of people will have winning accas!
Just imagine how many will have utd,crawley and west ham in their accas!
And so,if LOTS of people make 1000%+ profit,my 35% is rendered "a damp squib".

Anyway,I decided that,in the circumstances I should start a thread with a higher roi-but not so high that people wouldnt believe it possible-and 60% was what I chose.

If I had done it on betnod,I dont see that there wouldve been a problem but I decided to do it on the other forum because

a) I had started an antepost thread on there FIRST

b) Try as I might I couldnt see how I could DENY being big-headed,boastful etc and yet SAY I am gonna make 60% profit.
(remember the 35% was chosen for me).

c) On the other forum I dont have a reputation as being arrogant and,having learnt from my experience here,I can try very hard to imply that I am mostly lucky and to just emphasise the entertainment value

BUT,you cant really have 2 antepost threads with bets because you can then CHEAT-say I bet most of my betnod bets around ross county and the other thread around Dundee-well if Ross win then the 35%is assured and if Dundee win then 100% is likely.

So I HAD to drop this but I knew Thundercelt was interested in this thread and that he also seems to be the nicest person on here.
I also knew that antepost betting can be helpful to anyone who MAY lose too much on other bets.
So I thought itd be a great idea to help Yorkie and give TC general advice at the same time.

CLEARLY no-one agrees,thats life and I apologise for coming up with such a stupid idea.

ANYWAY,this is now,of course,all too boring and by the by.

THUNDERCELT,um,if you,despite all this,ever want any antepost help,I assume the mods. would give you my email address.

Failing that,the 4 or so general tips will,I sincerely believe,serve you well.

GOOD LUCK

 

[hotspur]

I look forward to your bets TC and believe you will post 35% +.
Whats the stake and the bank?

 

[Wayne]

on this forum I have been accused of being an arrogant...........

Not only DO I forgive you

The problem is Hotspur that some of the first posts I read from you were comments like this;

Actually,I am a pro.gambler who is attempting my best ever profit........

Id like to point out that I still have an account with victor c even though I have made £15,000 + profit this year from him....

My (most people's) first reaction to posts like this is it's bullshit. There's a lot of clowns on the internet posting such things when it blatantly isn't true (see Betfair's forum) and after a bit of gentle prodding, their stories tend to fall apart. We've merely 'prodded' you here and you've still proven nothing. You haven't helped yourself in the slightest.

Anyway, surely as a pro, you don't need to make such comments as the ones above do you? Isn't that type of thing beneath someone with staggering betting superpowers? I know that if I was raping a bookie and had a certain method of betting to achieve that AND it was my source of income (ie. pro gambler), I wouldn't be broadcasting it anywhere, never mind the internet, for fear of being restricted/copied/'found out'. The two things don't go hand in hand which is why scepticism appears when someone starts shouting their mouth off about how easy it is to make profit. In those circumstances, surely the only reasonable explanation is that person had some sort of 'character flaw' that needed massaging despite the risk to his income.

Equally, if I was a pro gambler, I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time with 'challenge' threads, etc. There's a lot of experienced punters on here and as RC rightly points out, we can sniff out most bullshitters pretty quickly. Perhaps you are, perhaps you aren't but whether you like it or not your posting style and content carries all the traits.

As for you claiming how 'easy' it is to make 10%. Gambling is NOT easy. All the experienced punters on here know that (Yorkie doesn't) but you chuck this wild claim out there and seem to be stunned when you get challenged on it. We all know anyone can doctor previous bet evidence so you took it on yourself to start this thread to prove us all wrong. Great - that's the best way. So everyone then left you to it to give you a chance but when you then go off on several tangents midway through, don't be surprised when you are challenged once again.

So where are we with all this? You're going to stop the thread that was being used to justify your claims of how easy it was to make a profit. Absolutely your choice of course. And most importantly, you don't have to prove a thing to anyone. You know what's true and what isn't. But don't be surprised when I/we continue to regard you as living in planet cuckoo-land (and actually moreso now as you've reneged on the very thing that was to disprove this).

As for the rest of your post, I think you need to think less. Your brain seems to go round in circles.

 

[rcgills]

Nothing much to add to what Wayne said really, especially this bit:

As for you claiming how 'easy' it is to make 10%. Gambling is NOT easy. All the experienced punters on here know that (Yorkie doesn't) but you chuck this wild claim out there and seem to be stunned when you get challenged on it. We all know anyone can doctor previous bet evidence so you took it on yourself to start this thread to prove us all wrong. Great - that's the best way. So everyone then left you to it to give you a chance but when you then go off an several tangents midway through, don't be surprised when you are challenged once again.

INDEED,I didnt intend to have any challenges-merely to give the kind of advice I gave on the DP without,it seems,anyone noticing!
Advice that WOULD have made any of you 10%+ had you followed it!

Here we go again, what look to me to be unsubstantiated claims. Going through your posts on TDP, I see lots of "so-and-so shouldn't be this big a price" (PSG, Man City w/o United and "blues" (presumably Chelsea?)), "should go close" (Huddersfield), "playoffs at least" (Fleetwood), etc., but as far as actual tips go, we've got:

Napoli (recommended to back at 50/1 on Centrebet and lay at 24/1 on Betfair) - OK, fair enough, profit would be guaranteed there. However, if you backed Napoli for £20, when laying them off on Betfair, to ensure a similar profit win or lose, you'd be looking at tying up close to £1000, all for the sake of winning a little over £20. More than a 100% ROI, it's true, but involves tying up large amounts of funds for the entire season (and that's just for £20).

first find a team in another league that is v likely to be placed-i strongly suggest hearts in the spl without old firm.

then do an e/w treble ie brechin,peterhd.,hearts e/w

Brechin currently closer to the bottom than the top. Peterhead 2nd from bottom. I know nothing about Scottish football, but fair to say I think that that one's looking doomed.

You seem to be very keen on telling everyone how much they could've made by following you, but very vague on the details of what you're actually recommending people to back. Could you please point out exactly how you think people could have made 10%+ by following you on TDP?

 

[rcgills]

Incidentally, you might like to read this thread by a certain critic of yours as a fine example of how to prove yourself

http://www.thedailypunt.com/forum/rags-riches/116457-league-winners-2.html

 

[Wayne]

Incidentally, you might like to read this thread by a certain critic of yours as a fine example of how to prove yourself

http://www.thedailypunt.com/forum/rags-riches/116457-league-winners-2.html

Fucking Wycombe.

 

[hotspur]

Thanks for the above posts.I have only read them quickly but found them interesting.
I was(naturally)extremely intrigued to see Waynes antepost bets.Well done Wayne!As you can imagine I am interested to know how many seasons you have done these bets-did you carry on the next season-what happened?

rcgills there really is 1 thing above all else I must say very quickly from what I quickly saw:
That Brechin/Peterhead bet IS NOT really MY bet.Indeed I state close by(from memmory you understand) that personally I wouldnt be betting on that division for a couple of months at least.
I think is was Komp who stated that "all the value had gone from the win price."
THAT bet was what I therefore suggested to someone who wanted to bet on Peterhead and Brechin.
I myself had NO IDEA whether those teams were value.I was going by what Komp said.Hope you believe me!!