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I dont WANT to be impressed by any tipper-ie thats the last reason I read forums.
not sure where over the road is...if on betnod...then what are the relevent figures?are you saying they have made more than 13% roi for an extended period of time?presumably so
if so,GREAT-that brings me to my next question,why arent all the betnod members(or whichever forum it is)not betting heavily on their selections?-I should emphasise that I am not making any point there,I am really genuinely intrigued..
quite busy right now so may have to answer the rest of your post tomorrow
 
The question I would ask any person advertising a service is "are you highly confident your tips/advice will return a healthy profit over a lengthy period of time?"

if the answer is "no" then they obviously shouldn't be advertising a service

if the answer was "yes" then I would ask why they need to bring added pressure and workload to themselves when they could just make good profits by backing their tips themselves

whatever crap they then spout, the truth is they are looking for an easy way out and are nowhere near as confident in their own ability as they claim.

there is no in between
 
Seen said:
A high profile tipster like Pricewise or Hugh Taylor yes, an unknown guy dicking around on betting forums, no. Not at 13% roi anyway.....
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a few years ago when I was posting my tips on Welsh Premier , I believed that the price would move when I tipped a team then I notice that if I fancied a team not place a bet the price would move .
Those odds compilers could do telepathy , they could read my mind. NO


I was spotting value , so were others with more ability than me and these experts were shifting the price , its great being brought down to earth again
 
so you agree with me, then ;)

Yes ,I agree with you if you are saying he probably wont move markets(rather than definitely wont)..seeing as I have not said anything to the contrary.
The statement that he MAY move markets IF he continues to make 13% is not contradicted by the statement he probably wont.
We are having this discussion because you said I was being silly in saying he may eventually move markets if he had too many followers and was making 13%

To me anyone who isnt impressed by 13% is a below average punter as I believe most punters nowadays are well aware that a 13% roi is very difficult to attain,especially on football-however,it is of course a matter of opinion.

I am slightly confused by what you are saying as its possibly ambiguous or contradictory-he would only get average punters but average punters WONT be impressed by 13%??
ssooo,in that case hed get above average punters-like me- who DO realise that 13% is very impressive?Just the type to move markets,however-

I wasnt aware that bookies always form their soccer markets from betfair,only the horseracing markets(I believe).But,obviously,if thats true then BA wouldnt move any markets..(although seeing as he bets on more obscure markets perhaps he still might?)
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It always amuses me when someone questions why a professional gambler would sell his tips.
The question should be why dont ALL pro gamblers sell their tips!!!?
As far as I am aware there is really ONLY ONE reason for him NOT to sell tips and about 7 reasons to sell!!

As far as the point about extra hassle and pressure is concerned,well this would of course be adequately compensated for in the fees.Remember the question is actually why would a very good gambler sell, and a very good one would be able to charge more.
As far as pressure is concerned,simply by being a successful pro,they would have already shown that they can handle it.

Seeing as Seen is one of many people who ask this question I think its high time it got well and truly nailed,and,by golly,I rather think betnod is the place to do it:)..

But first I have things to do.......
 
I believe most punters nowadays are well aware that a 13% roi is very difficult to attain,especially on football
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As 'most' means more than 50%, no chance. Most punters know little about value, odds, chance, percentages etc etc and are content to spunk their money away, some do it more slowly than others.

It always amuses me when someone questions why a professional gambler would sell his tips.
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And it always amuses me when people claim to be a pro gambler and then spend weeks/months advertising on forums desperately trying to get people to send them money - they must be doing well for themselves, huh?

As far as pressure is concerned,simply by being a successful pro,they would have already shown that they can handle it.
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The pressure of making money for yourself is completely different to the pressure of trying to make money for others.
 
And here's the question from a different perspective, which would be asked to the likes of BA...

"Are you making enough money from your betting to be happy with?"

If the answer is yes, then I would ask why they want more and why risk having the extra pressure affect their judgement, therefore damaging the profits.

If the answer is no then they shouldn't be trying to run a service.
 
ha,ha I would imagine Seen that Ive written quite a few things on betnod that noone wants to know(for which I would like to take the opportunity to apologise,btw) of which that was possibly the shortest.I was,as can be gleaned from the context,in a somewhat "playful mood"probably due to being exhausted.

naturally,however I dont suppose for one second that anyone wants to know that either..yet I found myself needing to write it to answer your last post....
 
No probs, hotspur

your real-name initials wouldn't happen to be PB, would they? You remind me of someone.
 
Seen,the likes of BA are EASILY dealt with.
Of course the reason he is on betnod is because he doesnt have the money to advertise and therefore its obvious that he himself hasnt made his betting pay yet.
I dont believe Im an idiot Seen,I totally get his situation and your reading of it
If you believe that hes no good,then thats absolutely fine-you might be right,but the point is he MIGHT be a very talented gambler and thats really all Im saying about him.....
 
Seen,I am naturally curious as to how you appear to KNOW that the pressure of selling tips is COMPLETELY different to the pressure of trying to make money for youself.
It seems to me that theres only one way you can know that.
Um,so,are you by any chance a pro-gambler who tried to sell his tips...and,I dunno,possibly had a long losing run and you ended up losing your house,girlfriend,car etc?
I guess that would make your position understandable to say the least
 
it seems to me that every individual pro gambler would have their own opinion on this.
Since I take it that you accept that it is A FACT that there ARE very successful pro-gamblers who also sell tips then surely it follows that this "completely different"pressure you mention can be dealt with?

however,to make things easier,let us say that there are possibly/probably some pro gamblers who cant deal with this different pressure.All I am saying is that those who can deal with this pressure would tend to want to sell their tips for reasons I havnt had a chance yet to explain.
 
Seen,I would like to make clear that I disagree strongly with your assessment of most punters nowadays.
I do of course say that knowing that you clearly disagree.Once again thats fine.
Of course not so long ago,I would have agreed with you but,I gather that the "average"punter now is considerably more clued up than even 5 years ago.
All I can say is that that is certainly my reading of the situation...I may of course,as ever,be wrong..
 
hotspur said:
Seen,I am naturally curious as to how you appear to KNOW that the pressure of selling tips is COMPLETELY different to the pressure of trying to make money for youself.
It seems to me that theres only one way you can know that.
Um,so,are you by any chance a pro-gambler who tried to sell his tips...and,I dunno,possibly had a long losing run and you ended up losing your house,girlfriend,car etc?
I guess that would make your position understandable to say the least
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Aye, you got me - I fucking LOST IT ALL :cry

:unsure

Seriously though, I KNOW the pressure of playing football in a cup final in front of 80,000 people (plus millions more on TV) is COMPLETELY different to the pressure of playing 3-pots-and-in and head-and-volley with your mates in the back alley - but I'm no professional footballer and don't need to be to know.

FYI - I've been posting tips and advice for free on forums for longer than most betting forums have existed (I'm like a smelly old tramp who won't go away) and this kind of thread just bores me silly.

So are you PB then?
 
I dont wanna answer the PB question until you tell me about him.
As I said before,I am exhausted ,so please forgive me if I say that I didnt really get your football analogy.
I mean,obviously,I understand about the different pressure between a big game and 3-and in,I am just struggling with which of those is meant to be betting your own money and which is meant to be running a tipping site?
I have never sold tips but,for the last few years my only income has been through betting on football(mainly) and it really is very,very hard for me to imagine how giving say 30 people some tips during the season in return for say £200 each up front would SIGNIFICANTLY add to my overall stress.

I am relieved to read that this bores you silly.It doesnt bore me as such but,because I suffer from rheumatoid arthritis in most of my joints(and what with me trying to write a book)I must admit that all this extra typing is a strain on my wrist which I am happy to do without so I am very happy to leave things here.
So I am very much hoping you dont say anything else I disagree with:):crossfingers
 
Hi BA,hows the betting going?havnt joined it, but will be doing so at some point
 
Well,Wayne,honesty in anyone is something that appeals very much seeing as its quite rare.
I WOULD DEF. still join as its only a monthly fee.
I would ask him for his assessment of what happened over the last few weeks.
Bearing in mind that I myself once suffered a horrendous run I would be a fool to hold this against someone.
Finally,something that doesnt appear to have occurred to you is that:
although I am a member of several tipping sites
I DONT NECESSARILY DO THE BETS!
It is their OPINIONS that I am paying for and their reasoning behind them.
I already know that BA can write objectively about an upcoming game and that saves me having to look at stats etc.
I am perfectly free to bet the other way if I disagree with his assessment.
 
further to the above,I would,however,try to negotiate a cheaper rate:)
 
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