Antepost Soccer Betting/35% r.o.i

[hotspur]

so if Wayne never really bothered me why am I only doing this now that hes not posting..

simple-if I did it while he was here it would imply that I care what he thinks and want to prove him wrong.


I dont

 

[rcgills]

And there is NOTHING on the internet nor in ANY book about HOW to do these bets successfully EXCEPT possily Waynes thread..
SO,logically how ELSE could I know about these bets UNLESS Id done them successfully?

How about if I tell you there's NOTHING on the Internet or in ANY book about HOW to kill a SNOZZWOOZLE. What you have to do is take a feather and tickle it's belly button while it's asleep, then when it wakes up shove a pencil up its nose.

It's true, logically how ELSE could I possibly know that fact UNLESS I'd done it myself successfully?

Good luck with your bets if you put them on here (in fact, good luck even if you don't), but we're still back where we were months ago - you can get as indignant about it as you like with all your CAPITAL LETTERS everywhere, BUT if you WANT people to BELIEVE you, you're far better off actually posting some bets up (and personally speaking I'm not particularly interested in what you've done in the past, I'd be more interested in seeing what you're capable of in the present) and letting people see for themselves.

 

[Punter]

How about if I tell you there's NOTHING on the Internet or in ANY book about HOW to kill a SNOZZWOOZLE. What you have to do is take a feather and tickle it's belly button while it's asleep, then when it wakes up shove a pencil up its nose.

It's true, logically how ELSE could I possibly know that fact UNLESS I'd done it myself successfully?

 

[hotspur]

right well,bearing in mind Ive just been woken up,the first thing is that I dont think thats a fair analogy rcgills because I was making the point that I would expect someone who,to use your analogy,who had written a thread that demonstrated that tickling a SNOZZWOOZLES bellybutton kills it to be MORE LIKELY to believe than ANYONE ELSE.
rather than turn out to be my biggest critc.
thats all I was saying.I dont expect anyone else to believe me-why would they?

as for my use of caps-thats cos I dont know how to put words in bold-fine,therd still be a lot of words in bold but,heh,I dont call people cunts or lyers or otherwise insult them ....I dont do anything to anyone that I wudnt want them to do to me -caps dont bother me in the slightest ESPECIALLY if they help me understand exactly what someone is trying to say.


Now,as to your point saying that if I want people to believe me Id be better off putting my bets on here-well,that as its stated is actually not true!

In fact,what tends to happen is that no-one believes me until they see what Ive done in the past!

So I assume you are referring to betnod members only.
ok then,let me get this right.

you are saying that betnod members would believe that antepost bets are the best way to make money from gambling and everything else Ive claimed.....ifonly I make...even a modest profit!!!

but of course unless I make such a profit,on betnod,several years in a row,it would be meaningless rcgills...since of course when ANYONE does a betting thread on a forum the most likely reason for a profit after just 1 season....is luck.

what would have been much much better would be what I was in fact doing before I was interrupted (before) ie trying to get yorkie to do the bets or TC or anyone while giving advice.
not better for me better for the point of this thread...which I tried to make clear at the start-the promotion of antepost betting

nor is it true that we are in the same position as before-I was invited to write a blog as a result of my time on here and Tc has stated that he found my thread reasonably helpful.

sadly,I wasnt able to help yorkie nor do I believe that posting a modest profit on here will change that.

but,overall,I am happy

its a great pity that I didnt have access to the internet from 1997-2005 when I would have bitten your hand off to be able to prroof my bets...now I am on the verge of giving up betting in significant amounts and concentrating on something else.

any bets I do on here from now on-with no explanation-will help me NOT AT ALL but may help TC and hopefully 1 or even 2 others(maybe not).thats the only reason I am continuing to post

 

[hotspur]

ha,ha not bitten your hand off,rc-thats wrong isnt it?er,I think I meant cut my right arm off

 

[rcgills]

right well,bearing in mind Ive just been woken up,the first thing is that I dont think thats a fair analogy rcgills because I was making the point that I would expect someone who,to use your analogy,who had written a thread that demonstrated that tickling a SNOZZWOOZLES bellybutton kills it to be MORE LIKELY to believe than ANYONE ELSE.
rather than turn out to be my biggest critc.
thats all I was saying.I dont expect anyone else to believe me-why would they?

Fair enough, let's use a different analogy then. Wilson Kipsang knows how to run a marathon in less than 2 hours and 5 minutes. If he were a member of Betnod (maybe he is, maybe he's been posting under the name Wayne for all I know), and he saw you posting that you ran the marathon in 2 hours and 2 minutes, do you think that he, as someone who knows all about running marathons in close to that time, would believe you? Or do you think he'd be sceptical until you'd actually proven it? It's one thing knowing that a certain objective is achievable, actually achieving it is another thing entirely.

I can't be bothered reading back through the thread now, but as far as I'm aware Wayne wasn't saying that your claims were impossible, he was just doubting whether you were capable of achieving them (and for the record, that would be my opinion too). I'm not denying a 35% roi is possible, I can well believe it is, although it'd certainly be beyond me and the vast majority of gamblers. Which is why when someone such as yourself comes along claiming you can achieve that, you're expected to either prove yourself or be taken with a very large pinch of salt.

as for my use of caps-thats cos I dont know how to put words in bold-fine,therd still be a lot of words in bold but,heh,I dont call people cunts or lyers or otherwise insult them ....I dont do anything to anyone that I wudnt want them to do to me -caps dont bother me in the slightest ESPECIALLY if they help me understand exactly what someone is trying to say.

When you're typing in the text box, there are a load of little icons above the box. In the second row of icons, starting from the left, you have "B", "I" and "U". Double click on any words you want in bold, then click the "B". The "I" is for "Italics", the "U" for "Underline".

Not sure whether the bit about calling people cunts or liars is aimed at me or more for Wayne, I'm certain I've not called you a cunt, and pretty sure I've not called you a liar, although I stand to be corrected if you can quote me on it. I may have said I don't believe you, but not believing someone isn't (IMO) equivalent to calling them a liar.

you are saying that betnod members would believe that antepost bets are the best way to make money from gambling and everything else Ive claimed.....ifonly I make...even a modest profit!!!
but of course unless I make such a profit,on betnod,several years in a row,it would be meaningless rcgills...since of course when ANYONE does a betting thread on a forum the most likely reason for a profit after just 1 season....is luck.

People want to see proof, of whatever kind. Not just talk about what can be done, proof of what you can do (or have done, although as I said previously, personally speaking I don't really care too much what people have done in the past - Liverpool have won 18(??) league titles in the past, doesn't mean I'll be rushing to back them to win the league next season). You seem to spend far too much time worrying about what people might actually think of you should your results not meet the standards you set yourself, when the fact is that if you achieved even half of what you say you can achieve, you'd very likely be doing better than the vast majority of posters on here.

As for it being just one season - you've been on here all season - if you'd actually started putting your money where your mouth is throughout this season instead of constantly backtracking/moving the goalposts, you'd already have one season in which you'd proven yourself, and next season would be the second. To me, you come across as all smoke and mirrors - constantly changing things around, going off on tangents, anything to stop people actually trying to pin you down and put you on the spot. That's obviously just my opinion, and there's only one thing that's going to change it, and that's actually seeing you prove yourself. If anyone else wants to believe you then more fool them/lucky them (delete as applicable), depending on whether or not you have the trousers to go with your mouth.

sadly,I wasnt able to help yorkie nor do I believe that posting a modest profit on here will change that.

Yorkie's beyond help . It's beyond you, it's beyond anyone - even if you had a 200% r.o.i for each of the past 10 seasons, you still wouldn't be able to help him.

 

[hotspur]

gosh,theres a lot there isnt there.Even though Ive caught up on my sleep,at the moment,this marathon analogy is one I cant get my head round-no doubt its me so Id like to come back to it once ive worked it out-I mean i can answer the question-no,I dont think he would believe me...its how that pertains to anything Ive actually claimed that i am struggling with...

it seems to me that quite a large part of what else you say i have no real chance of answering as there are no examples-youre basically telling me how I ''appear'' to you.

well,rc gills,its my belief that youve got me wrong

your point about 1 season/this season is irrelevant cos it would still only be 1 season and,anyway i still have that season-I mean,unless you are referring to straight results betting-I have made,I hope,no claims about that(well,ok ive given LMC some advice) and ,as for your comment about me spending far too much time worrying about what people think...etc,etc..I am a bit bemused but on the other hand it doesnt seem to be critical,just an observation..so,hey,fine


its when you use the phrase,as youve done before,''putting my money where my mouth is''that i get really annoyed.

I dont know what you mean by it-any chance of putting it clearly would be appreciated.
the reason it annoys me so much is cos i am someone who puts their money where their mouth is all the time.

in what way am i not putting my money where my mouth is.

same goes for accusing me of ''constantly'' changing tack,moving goalposts etc,etc

this is from memory only:

1) i make the grave error of stating i can make 10% in my sleep(technically i can...as my bets are antepost,ha,ha)
2) i am asked to start a thread
3) having considered it,i ask someone to specify an roi and i think it was punter who obliged

so far no changing tack i hope youll agree?

4) i give bets
5) just after xmas i decide it would a very good idea if i could get yorkie to do the bets (yep,thats def 1 change of tack!)
6) wayne objects

7)in order to explain,i point out that i am doing a thread on another forum(does that count as a change of tack when i only mentioned it after being challenged?-ok you can have it if you insist)

8) i get a great deal of critiscm

9) we agree to end it there
10)eventually i find i am able t make posts on other threads without being called a moron and then wayne appears to stop posting
11) i ask if anyone objects to me carrying on

now,as i say,thats from memory...but i am struggling to see how your assessment is entirely fair..or even at all fair


Proof:

towards the end you and wayne kept mentioning proof...proof this,proof that...
well proof is a very,very misused word indeed

that being the case,rc,would you be good enough to put it in more accurate words..
for a start it would help if i knew what,exactly,you want me to proove-what,exactly?

and what do you personally consider to be proof-i guess thatd be the easiest thing,come to think of it-whats proof to you,exactly?

as for this question of me apparently doing anything to stop myself being pinned down/being put on the spot,i seem to remember wayne saying something similar...and i have to say i am utterly,utterly bemused and baffled by how you can come to that conclusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????

what on earth do you mean-i can answer anything you care to ask,honestly,i have no clue as to what youre referring to...and i am curious.

finally,you say ''people want to see proof of any kind''-

once again ,proof of what,that Im a pro gamber-how can i prove that?

that i can make 10% roi in my sleep-how can i proove that?

what i personally do if i read something like that is read all of that posters posts and make a decision on the likelihood of it being true from how intelligent/knowledgable they appear -i must admit i personally find that a very satisfactory way of sorting out the wheat from the chaff.

the one thing that i CAN(sorry) proove is that i have had several big wins from antepost accas...and i spose if anyone really wanted to see the proof i guess i dont really have any objection....but of course,if i did show that proof,it would imply that i may in fact be arrogant(which i really dont believe i am)...

if i dont show(and it actually exists) it would show that i may not be arrogant....and yes,rcgills on that you are correct-i dont mind being called arrogant if either i believe i am or,as,i have previously mentioned,the accuser is a woman who subsequently sleeps with me...but otherwise,yeah,it does upset me..(which,btw,is a sign of not being arrogant)

not to mention the fact that i simply dont think that someone who points out that they are a cunt`(for the specified reason ive given)is likely to be arrogant-surely arrogant means self-important /thinking oneself to be superior generally?

now i am gonna take a break and think about this marathon analogy....

oh hang on,forgot-nope the cunt thing wasnt aimed at you nor any 1 individual
and nope,you def.havnt called me a cunt(not much point really),merely implied that im a liar and arrogant

 

[hotspur]

just read the marathon thing again...and saw,
'' its one thing to know that a certain objective is achievable,achieving it is quite another''
well,maybe someone can think of an exception.......but I have to point out that the only people who would know that making good profits from antepost accumulators on a regular basis is acheivable are those few who have actually done it!!!!

apart from other things-how could I possibly know that Id even be allowed to get bets on after say 2 years of success?

I can even tell you to how much any bookie would take from me on any accumulator bet (antepost)right now you care to name.
any time you wanna put that to the test rcgills,let me know and we will set something up................but

only if you put your money where your mouth is.........,and bet on it

and we will see if you can work out how I knew

 

[hotspur]

hmm,I think the reasonIm having probs with this marathon analogy,off the top of my head,is
if I went on betnod and there was another top class marathon runner on there-thered be no real problem
ie hed ask me very,very pertinent questions going into the detail of my training regime,asking me how come hes never heard of me(and thatd have to a a very good answer,indeedy) etc,etc,etc.
in short,an expert could easily pull any false claims to pieces-on the other hand he would also be in a position to form an accurate assessment of how likely it is that Im telling the truth......and report it on the forum

compare that to the quality of questions on betnod..(i actually dont think a single person has asked me a single good question about how i am able to do this etc)..but,more than that,the expert wouldnt begin by calling the upstart arrogant or accuse them of being a fantasist or a moron...until it became apparent that they were.

now I accept that that may all be irrelevant to your point but your point is moot anyhow so far as i can see.......

i dont ask anyone to believe me-i am not selling tips after all!!
nor do i expect anyone to believe-what i did expect was for people to assess what i had to say and come to their own conclusion-exactly what i do on forums in fact.

those who believe me could,if theyd so wished, have pmed me and i dunno,asked me for tips*,to meet up,for the title of my book(not that thats y im on here-promise!)-whatever

those who dont-can carry on making whatever roi they were already doing and/or study waynes thread(though they probably wouldnt if they dont believe)

life doesnt get that much more fair

free,natch

 

[hotspur]

i believe its at this point that im accused of going round in circles or being given the yawning sign...so apart from bets im hoping that can be my last word

 

[rcgills]

i believe its at this point that im accused of going round in circles or being given the yawning sign

For the first time since you've been on this forum, I'm impressed. Although it could be argued that the only reason you know you'd be accused of going round in circles is because you know full well that you are going round in circles.

...so apart from bets im hoping that can be my last word

Amen to that. And to think you claimed you didn't know what I meant when I asked for proof and for you to put your money where your mouth is.

 

[hotspur]

well,sorry,i had to reply to that rcgills
(heres a tip for you-if you genuinely dont want me to say anything more,all you have to do is desist from making posts like that,simples)

actually,NO,I have never understood what you meant by that-apart from anything else i thought it took 2 to go round in circles.

brilliant,so youre not gonna tell me what constitutes proof?lol

the only understanding I have of the phrase-''putting ones money where ones mouth is'' is putting money at risk on something youve been bragging about.

do you really think that me posting some antepost bets on a forum with 2 dozen regular posters some of whom have no real interst in betting/soccer would constitute me ''putting my money where my mouth is''.

WOW,(sorry)

(oh yeah,thats twice that youve said something to me I consider bordering on arrogance-lets get this clear-I dont care whether you have any respect for me(a previous post)-wtf would I do with your respect, and I CERTAINLY dont care whether youre impressed by anything I say-JesusfuckingChrist)

best wishes

 

[hotspur]

apologies if that was a bit rude rcgills,have been drinking on empty stomach....

 

[rcgills]

brilliant,so youre not gonna tell me what constitutes proof?lol

I already did. Well, to be more precise, you already did.

hotspur said: ↑
...so apart from bets im hoping that can be my last word

That is what constitutes proof. No more talking, just posting bets.

do you really think that me posting some antepost bets on a forum with 2 dozen regular posters some of whom have no real interst in betting/soccer would constitute me ''putting my money where my mouth is''.

When I say about putting your money where your mouth is, I mean in terms of backing up your talk. You've had no problems telling the 2 dozen members what you're capable of. You seem to have problems actually showing them. So in answer to your question, yes I do.

 

[hotspur]

I already stated what constitutes proof...um can someone perlease enlighten me?cheers

oh I see...posting bets constitutes proof....that thing I was doing before you intervened.....

well,since apparently posting(one presumes winning) bets is ''proof''-something I dont remember ever saying..unless youre referring to my ''I wish I cudve proofed my bets years ago comment''-in which case the word proofed has a different meaning-let me get this straight-are you saying that all Ive got to do is post a profit on here and ,I dunno,youll all believe me!?


i honestly dont know what to say.....well,just thought of something.......so what if my bets lose......what would that mean?
would it mean that none of you believe me-what if I lose on pens in the final game(something Ive endured).?

sorry,just thinking out loud...

your assertion that I ''have problems showing the 24 people on here''what Im capable of'' is your personal assessment...its def not mine.

The only problem Ive had is people interferring with my thread and making comments that make my efforts feel entirely pointless/unappreciated.




thank you rcgills for explaining the money where your mouth is thing-Id really it appreciate if you stick with ''backing up what you say''.cheers

 

[hotspur]

URGENT
I want/need to do my first bets today...but,unless I missed it,I havnt been told whether I can bet on summer sports?
Obviously this is primarily a soccer betting site.I think itd be really good to let me do the summer sports for 2 reasons:

1)They will be great entertainment bets ie if anyone put a couple of quid on(and you def should)youd have an interest in all manner of events til sept/oct.
2) Football is my game SO if I make a profit from summer sports(and,obviously I know what my record is)it should help to demonstrate that antepost betting is easier than any other kind.

Now if I am not allowed to do summer sports,heres what will happen.
I will pretty much stick to singles on soccer and bet higher amounts hoping for certain teams to reach the play-off finals and then hegde.
I would have a reasonable chance of still making a profit but it wont be guranteed cos,in effect Id be predicting results with no leeway if I get it wrong.
Now,of course,its my own fault I am in this situation but the point is that if I make a profit this way it wont really demonstrate anything about my antepost market skills.

okie dokie if I get no reply then Ill still be doing some singles on promotion but Ill be keeping much of my bank to hoover up some of the place value thats available on formula 1,superleague and county championship cricket.

Tell you what,I am PRAYING for rain in the kent v yorks match sice,if kent win,thell be cut quite significantly for div 2....and if its a draw I will be lumping on..!fuck it Ill be lumping on either way!

 

[rcgills]

Anything goes Hotspur, bet on whatever you like - summer sports, winter sports, water sports, there's even plenty of Eurovision betting on here if that's your thing.

 

[hotspur]

cheers rcgills.....well,in that case my only bet will be.....

Sweden e/w eurovision
vettell e/w formula 1
kent e/w cc div 2

400 points e/w = 800 points

if all are placed (and alowing for kent being cut)thatd make up for my deficit and give me an overall profit

 

[hotspur]

just kidding.................but if I should get hit by a bus.............

 

[hotspur]

80 points Ladbrokes

Montpellier to win the french lge 10/11

(they have their most difficult remaining game tonite...and, if they should win, the title is theirs to throw away-I wached them outplay PSG in Paris)...and if they should fail then PSG are at Lille....
(I must add that I was shocked by Montpelliers performance at Lorient..but,hey,that football/human beings)

Bank =prev bank -110